Hip Hop Snobs

topic posted Fri, September 30, 2005 - 8:26 AM by  Devastator Jr.
That's right! I'm a hip hop snob, if it's bangin' on constant rotation on Hot 97, it's probably garbage. 99.9% of commercial rap sucks, and like most things that suck these days, it's mostly the fault of big business and the South. Man, I hate the south!

But there are a few bright spots -- the 19 albums a year put out by Kool Keith and MF Doom, El-P's Def Jux label, the UK grime scene.

Any hip hop snobs out there? What are you listening to?
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Devastator Jr.
New York City
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    Fri, September 30, 2005 - 8:41 AM
    I'm not a hip hop snob, i don't know enough about the genre to be one....

    but I love the south...

    lol
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      Fri, September 30, 2005 - 8:46 AM
      I love the South, too! I'm from Texas and have kin in Kentucky. I knew a lot of folks, when I was growing up who LOVED hip-hop in it's infancy. Then we moved northwards for college and such and got inundated with grunge, art rock and hair bands.
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    Fri, September 30, 2005 - 9:53 AM
    I recently discovered Blackalicious. Love Blazing Arrow - was getting heavy play on my pod a couple months ago.

    I totally agree about pop hip hop. that music seems to be totally marketed to 13 year old suburban kids.
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      Fri, September 30, 2005 - 10:02 AM
      Blackalicious and Jurassic 5 have gotten some heavy play around my apartment lately.
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        Fri, September 30, 2005 - 10:05 AM
        I do loves me some Jurassic 5... yes, indeed
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          Fri, September 30, 2005 - 11:04 AM
          Jurassic 5, Common and Blackalicious (who played Modesto wha? last night), and well as way old skool, De La Soul and Tribe Called Quest get played here about once a week...
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            Fri, September 30, 2005 - 11:11 AM
            love tribe called quest! i failed to mention the renaissance man Mos Def.

            Paul's Boutique is a classic hiphop album, imo. what do you think about the boys? though i'm a huge fan (fiercely loyal to a few bands, for better or worse) they have gone down hill over the last few albums.
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              Fri, September 30, 2005 - 11:43 AM
              oh, I'm just kidding about the South. Outkast is quality. But I hate Lil Jon and all that crap. Fuck crunk! In fact, I hate anyone with a Lil before their name. But Little Brother are good too.
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                Fri, September 30, 2005 - 12:02 PM
                Rap and Hip Hop kinda intimidate me. Intimidate isn't quite the right word, but, basically, I just don't know where to starts. It's such a damn trendy genre that the names you hear on any given day you won't hear in a week. And that's usually 'cause it sucked in the first place.

                I've made an effort to pick up some titles lately. I got me some Snoop, and some Jay-Z and on the advice of Kelefa Sanneh (NYTimes) I got me some K-Os. Dig 'em all. The K-Os is a little more on the R&B side, (as opposed to Snoop's R&G), but it has grown on me.

                On Monday Sanneh reviewed Three 6 Mafia (www.nytimes.com/2005/09/26...6choi.html) Anybody know anything about 'em?
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                  Fri, September 30, 2005 - 12:20 PM
                  Well, there is one fairly new one that I'll give props and a shout out to: Edan "Beauty and the Beat"

                  Anyone else gonna climb on board with me on this one?
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                    Mon, October 31, 2005 - 4:52 PM
                    that edan album is so good.

                    i love mf doom and madlib, everything they do. madvillain's 'madvillainy' and dangerdoom's "the mouse and the mask" drive me wild. (check out four tet's "madvillainy" remixes, gee whiz)

                    also aesop rock, a tribe called quest, the beastie boys. blackalicious are a little too into God for my liking, but good beats. ummm... i love good, non-misogynous hiphop. let me know if you discover any.
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                  Fri, September 30, 2005 - 12:23 PM
                  Three Six Mafia are probably one of the hardest of hardcore murder and drug dealing rap, which is sometimes fun, but not really my thing.

                  A lot of people who like indie rock music like these albums--

                  Dr. Octagon, Dr. Octagonecologyst
                  Handsome Boy Modeling School, So...How's Your Girl?
                  Madvillain, Madvillainy
                  Cannibal Ox, The Cold Vein
                  Soundbombing II
                  Wu Tang Clan, Enter the 36 Chambers
                  Mos Def & Talib Kweli Are Blackstar
                  Common, Like Water For Chocolate
                  Public Enemy, It Takes A Nation of Millions...

                  I could go on and on, but i guess it depends on what you like. Dr. Octagon is an absolute must. But I'd also recommend Handsome Boy or Soundbombing, because they're various artists so you can hear a bunch of different people.
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                    Sun, October 9, 2005 - 1:52 PM
                    deva..cool kieth is the shit~

                    clouddead and quasimoto are dope too
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                    Sat, November 26, 2005 - 1:59 AM
                    that Cannibla Ox album was one of my faves the year it came out
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                  Mon, October 3, 2005 - 8:58 PM
                  "On Monday Sanneh reviewed Three 6 Mafia (www.nytimes.com/2005/09/26...6choi.html) Anybody know anything about 'em?"

                  woah... too bad I can't read that... these guys are still around? haha, cue up memories from '95/'96. With gobs of talent and dark/occult imagery, Three 6 Mafia was like rap in the Twilight Zone. Unique material. ...Well, until Bone Thugz came along. The story I got is that Bone Thugz ripped of the style/delivery of Three 6 Mafia -- who first went under the moniker of Triple 6 Mafia -- and sort of went on to reap the commerical rewards.

                  The entire "E. 1999 Eternal" album from Bone Thugz is pure gold -- total flow and laidback grooves. :-D Recommended.

                  ...But that's about what I know. In those days I had whole other genres taking up my interest, and couldn't be bothered with anything else in rap/hiphop besides say, N.W.A. or the errant Ice Cube song.
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              Fri, September 30, 2005 - 12:19 PM
              I think that "Paul's Boutique" is one of the greatest hip-hop records ever. It's interesting that they all but abandoned the form after it flopped. I like their later records, but it's virtually a different band.
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                Fri, September 30, 2005 - 12:32 PM
                I like that Edan album, he's also on Count Bass D's Dwight Spitz album, (another masterpiece).

                Paul's Boutique is great, but you can't sample like that anymore without paying an arm and a leg. Unless you do it like M.I.A. and release it for free.

                Here's M.I.A.'s Piracy Funds Terrorism, for free download. M.I.A. and Diplo do a crazy mix of club hip hop, UK garage, electro and Brazilian style favelah funk. In my opinion, this was the best mix to come out in since...I can't even think of a better one.
                www.cokemachineglow.com/review...05.html
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                Sat, October 1, 2005 - 2:51 PM
                re: paul's boutique - there's no way that album could ever be made today, by bboys or anyone else. with all the liscensing laws and peeps wanting $$ for samples it would be prohibitively expensive.


                but at least we'll always have that one.
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    Sat, October 1, 2005 - 1:25 PM
    I like my hip-hop w/ some substance.....so I'm partial to old school stuff mostly from NYC[Public Enemy,Poor Righteous Teachers,KRS-One,etc]......newer stuff such as the Roots,some of Outkast's things......the English kid the Streets.........good creative sampling is important too.......
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      Sat, October 1, 2005 - 5:32 PM
      Me, I'll go with the Wu-Tang Clan including some of the solo stuff too like Liquid Swords and The Pretty Toney Album.

      They were one of the best groups of the 90's.

      I've always found Paul's Boutique to be overrated but then I'm not the biggest fan of the Beastie Boys either.
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        Mon, October 3, 2005 - 8:57 AM
        lol i once found a wu-tang clan name generator on line... you put in your name, press "Wu me" and voila

        I am "Grand Moff Puppeteer"

        Use is wisely, soldier ;)
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          Mon, October 3, 2005 - 1:08 PM
          wow a google search brings up several Wu Tang name generators....who knew?!?

          I was crowned "X-pert Mastermind".

          www.mess.be/inickgenwuname.php

          it's a Wu-Tang/MSN Nicknames Generator. Doesn't seem very OG to be in cahoots with MSN, but who am i to say.
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            Mon, October 3, 2005 - 1:43 PM
            Tuff Genius in da house! (How white did that sound?)
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              Mon, October 3, 2005 - 1:54 PM
              pretty white johnny.... lol

              but mass props for trying *she said sounding like a silly little cracker herself*

              hmmmmmmmmmmm seems I've scommitted an unintentional thread jack of sorts

              My wu tang name is still the best ever, but you two go better ones than some I've seen like "mah cow lead" and such like

              nice new pic, john!!!

              how's tricks? saw john vanderslice at the croc on Saturday night... i had forgotten how much i like him... great show

              okay, let's here some more wu tang names!
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                Mon, October 3, 2005 - 7:23 PM
                I'm Tha Violent Professional, bitches!

                Ah, I've been curious about John Vanderslice, I like the songs I've been able to steal off the internet anyway, but I guess that's a topic for another thread...
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                  Mon, October 3, 2005 - 7:31 PM
                  Oh, and all the first round of Wu-Tang solo's are excellent -- especially Liquid Swords.

                  And I must with shame admit that I've yet to get The Pretty Tony LP. I loved Supreme Clientele, but wasn't too into Bulletproof Wallets. Such great names, Wu-tang is so creative.

                  And lately, I've been all about the Pete Rock and CL Smooth old stuff

                  "Deja vu
                  Tell you what I'm gonna do
                  When They Reminisce Over You, my god..."
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                    Tue, October 4, 2005 - 8:46 AM
                    The Violent Professional.... awesome! That may be the best one ever....
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                      Wed, October 5, 2005 - 12:40 AM
                      No it's not. I'm the ...uh...what was I? The Thunderous Artist. Actually, yeah, The Violent Professional, known as VP, well, we are doing...a compilation.

                      You too can cop the album. If youare a hip hop SNOB then you probably don't hear COP too much in your lyrics, unless talking bout the po po.

                      **sigh, Thunderous Artist...you're the "best one ever"...**
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                        Thu, October 20, 2005 - 10:23 AM
                        Just bought Danger Doom, The Mouse and the Mask and I believe this to be the best rap album of the year...

                        anybody else get it?
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                          Thu, October 20, 2005 - 2:12 PM
                          nope. im gonna listen to it right now on rhapsody though...
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                            Thu, October 20, 2005 - 11:25 PM
                            his style is easy listnin' in my book. and that white guy voice...just funny shit. break it down. ;)
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                              Sat, October 22, 2005 - 9:58 PM
                              Love the Dangerdoom, MF is probably, let's see, my second favorite MC or something. He's been putting out so much material and all of it is fantastic, (the only complaint I had was with the second Viktor Vaughn, and only because it was too short.)

                              But I think my favorite rap album this year was Common's "Be". That's currently in the lead for my Record of the Year in all genre's. It's just a perfect little gem.
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                                Wed, October 26, 2005 - 5:11 PM
                                I got Dangerdoom the other night and it's been in heavy rotation ever since. I like MF's flow, but I really get off on Danger's backing tracks. He's a fookin' genius!
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                          Wed, October 26, 2005 - 5:19 PM
                          A'ight, I took your advice, PsykoDrtyChef, and grabbed the Danger Doom release. I'm digging it!

                          Question: I downloaded it (cheaply!) through allofmp3.com. I'm wondering if the *-bleeping-* edits are theirs or Danger Dooms? Every 'f*-bleep-*' and 'sh*-bleep-*' is *-bleeped-*
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                            Wed, October 26, 2005 - 8:15 PM
                            It's geared to a cartoon show -- albeit [adult swim] -- so perhaps they have more justification for this than usual. I think I heard a couple swears on my copy, but a lot is bleeped. The whole disc is very funny and well done and carried off with panache and imagination. A must for animation fans who aren't allergic to rap.
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                              Fri, October 28, 2005 - 9:56 AM
                              Coolio. Thanks, MoZ.
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                                Mon, October 31, 2005 - 7:19 PM
                                Herbaliser....Herbal blend...nuff said
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                                  Tue, November 1, 2005 - 11:24 PM
                                  Herbaliser? Say more! He produced one of my favorite MF Doom tracks, (It Ain't Nothin') that's been playing in my head latley and I have random songs I must have downloaded from somewhere that I really like. Does he have an album out or something? Here's the Doom track --

                                  s56.yousendit.com/d.aspx
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                                    Tue, November 1, 2005 - 11:38 PM
                                    Herbaliser is two entities...one is the recorded output entity,which is two "producers"d.j.s...mixers...what have you....and the other is the "Live performance"entity...which does the music live.They are on ninja tunes...and have several cds out(and lps)...the best of which in my opinion are "Very Mercenary"...and "Something Wicked this way comes"...but I have not heard all their stuff,and from what I understand,the vinyl versions of their output are vastly different than their cd counterparts.
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                                      Tue, November 1, 2005 - 11:41 PM
                                      The Herbaliser are one of the more purely hip-hop oriented acts on Ninja Tune's roster of sample-based pocket-funk. Combining deft, mid-tempo beats, well-chosen jazz and funk figures, sparse scratching, and even the odd rap, Herbaliser bridge the gap between dusty B-side instrumental hip-hop and London's new school of psychotropic beat scientists. Formed by Ollie Teeba and Jake Wherry in the early '90s, Herbaliser, unlike many of London's abstract beat scene's acid house-steeped big-name artists, trace their roots to American jazz and funk (Roy Ayers, Johnny Pate, Ramsey Lewis) as well as old-school hip-hop (particularly of the New York variety — Grandmixer D.ST, Sugarhill, Jungle Brothers). A bass player in acid jazz/funk group the Propheteers, Wherry met local DJ Teeba in South London, where they both lived. The pair assembled a few tracks in Wherry's tiny studio, which they subsequently passed to Ninja Tune bosses Matt Black and Jonathan More (aka Coldcut) in a club. The group were signed to the label shortly after.

                                      Herbaliser released a few warmly received EPs on Ninja Tune in 1994 and 1995 (the hard-to-find Real Killer being the best) before dropping their debut LP, Remedies, which brought both the group and the then up-and-coming Ninja label much attention. While that album capitalized more directly on London's burgeoning underground breakbeat scene, freely mixing styles into a funky, sample-heavy amalgam closer to beat-heavy acid jazz, subsequent singles ("Flawed Hip-Hop," "New & Improved") subtracted the schmaltzier bits from the mix, focusing in and expanding upon the group's hip-hop foundation. Blow Your Headphones, their second LP, presented a solid hour-plus of the same, simultaneously taking aim at U.K. trip-hop's tendency toward gimmick and noodle over depth and kick. Very Mercenary followed in 1999, bolstering the duo's hip-hop foundation, as did 2002's Something Wicked This Way Comes.

                                      The group have provided remixes for artists inc